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BBC interview about 1975 - never heard this before..

by defender of truth in

for any lurkers who don't believe the watchtower taught that the world would end in 1975... rare jehovah's witnesses 1968 interview "armageddon and 1975" london watchtower rep speaks to bbc.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=npmt-ml-m-g. --------.

but where will this system of things be by that time?

defender of truth

I distinctly remember going to a special talk given by Fred Franz in which he gave explicit detail to the 1975 doctrine. I was recording that talk and I now wish I knew were that tape cassette is at.

Was this the one?..

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yBwKX-5qXT0

(Skip to 7:30 if you want to get to the 1975 reference)

It's worth bearing in mind that Franz was Vice-president at this time, not some lowly CO or elder.

He had previously served as Vice President of the same corporation from 1945 until 1977 and as a member of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses before replacing Nathan H. Knorr as president in June 1977.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_William_Franz

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Great post, CrazyGuy. I'd give anything for a recording of that talk..

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BBC interview about 1975 - never heard this before..

by defender of truth in

for any lurkers who don't believe the watchtower taught that the world would end in 1975... rare jehovah's witnesses 1968 interview "armageddon and 1975" london watchtower rep speaks to bbc.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=npmt-ml-m-g. --------.

but where will this system of things be by that time?

defender of truth

For any lurkers who don't believe the Watchtower taught that the world would end in 1975..

Rare Jehovah's Witnesses 1968 interview "Armageddon and 1975" London Watchtower rep speaks to BBC

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NPmT-ML-M-g

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If you claim in their defense that the Watchtower representative did not actually mention 1975 himself, why did he not correct the interviewer? All he had to do was say ''We are not saying anything will happen in 1975".

Remembering the year that this interview was held (1968), take a look at these quotes:

"Does God's rest day parallel the time man has been on earth since his creation? Apparently so. In what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man's existence and also the first 6,000 years of Gods rest day come to an end? The year 1975. It means that within a relatively few years we will witness the fulfilment of the remaining prophecies that have to do with the "time of the end"."
Awake! 1966 Oct 8 pp.19-20

"The fact that fifty-four years of the period called the "last days" have already gone by is highly significant. It means that only a few years, at most, remain before the corrupt system of things dominating the earth is destroyed by God."
Awake! 1968 Oct 8 p.13

"If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years. Of the generation that observed the beginning of the "last days" in 1914, Jesus foretold: "This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur."-Matt. 24:34.
Therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill any career that this system offers. If you are in highschool and thinking about a college education, it means at least four, perhaps even six or eight more years to graduate into a specialized career.
But where will this system of things be by that time? It will be well on the way toward its finish, if not actually gone!"
Awake! 1969 May 22 p.15

www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/1975.php

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Just got this reply from the U.K enquiry into Child Abuse

by Phizzy in

i received an e-mail today, which says, in part :.

" thank you for your email dated 19 august to the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse.

regarding your concerns about the jehovahs witness religion and your offer to provide further.

defender of truth

BTTT for anyone who missed this.

www.csa-inquiry.independent.gov.uk/submit-information-online

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Participate In The EX-JW Personality Test!

by C0ntr013r in

first of all; i must admit that i'm not a huge fan of putting people in boxes like this, it is not an exact science.

but i still think the data can be quite interesting and i intend to collect it and share it in a structured way with you guys.

so without future ado here are the details.. link to test: .

defender of truth

I am...

INFJ- Advocate (surprised me how accurate this was)

..friends and colleagues will come to think of them as quiet Extroverted types, but they would all do well to remember that INFJs need time alone to decompress and recharge, and to not become too alarmed when they suddenly withdraw.
INFJs take great care of other’s feelings, and they expect the favor to be returned – sometimes that means giving them the space they need for a few days.
..Really though, it is most important for INFJs to remember to take care of themselves.
The passion of their convictions is perfectly capable of carrying them past their breaking point and if their zeal gets out of hand, they can find themselves exhausted, unhealthy and stressed. This becomes especially apparent when INFJs find themselves up against conflict and criticism – their sensitivity forces them to do everything they can to evade these seemingly personal attacks, but when the circumstances are unavoidable, they can fight back in highly irrational, unhelpful ways.

It's pretty rare according to this:

The INFJ personality type is very rare, making up less than one percent of the population

www.16personalities.com/infj-personality

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If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

by DJS in

scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

defender of truth

Regarding the case of Romer v. Evans (mentioned at the end of my last post):

The decision in Romer set the stage for Lawrence v. Texas (2003), where the Court overruled its decision in Bowers, for the Supreme Court ruling striking down Section 3 of the Defense of Marriage Act in United States v. Windsor (2013), and for the Court's ruling striking down state bans on same-sex marriage in Obergefell v. Hodges (2015).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romer_v._Evans

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If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

by DJS in

scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

defender of truth

OCS training is demanding and martial. Instructors emphasized the realities of combat day after day...
At some point, this candidate realized he could not in good conscience engage in warfare...
He struggled with his beliefs—even debated them respectfully with the battalion commander—but concluded he could not stay.

It was a painful parting on both sides. He lost a coveted career, the Corps lost a promising candidate. But it had to happen.
Here’s what didn’t happen: Nobody suggested that dropping him from OCS was a violation of the First Amendment’s guarantee of “the free exercise” of religion. He did not say, “I think that in recognition of my sincere religious opposition to war, you should let me stay in the Corps and get my pilot’s wings. I will do the job, except for one thing: I won’t drop bombs or shoot guns.”
I thought of that incident on Thursday, when I read Miller v. Davis.

Is it possible to agree on what religious freedom is not?
It’s not a right to wear a Marine uniform but refuse to fight.
It’s not a right to be a county clerk and decide which citizens you will serve and which you won’t.
Government in particular has an obligation to dismiss any employee who claims a right to discriminate against citizens.
It’s not good enough to say, “Go to another county if you want a license.” It’s not good enough to say, “I won’t let anyone get married.” Those aren’t a clerk’s decisions to make.
"Central both to the idea of the rule of law and to our own Constitution's guarantee of equal protection is the principle that government and each of its parts remain open on impartial terms to all who seek its assistance,” wrote U.S. Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy, in the 1996 case of Romer v. Evans.

www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/religious-freedom-gay-marriage/401390/

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What I believe to be true- and how I have come to believe it.

by defender of truth in

i apologise if this story has already been posted.. it gave me hope... hope that even those who ignore their doubts and bury themselves can awaken, and become authentic people who just want to make the world a better place.

both man and wife woke up at the same time.. great thoughts on the meaning of life and humanities potential towards the end... www.medium.com/keep-learning-keep-growing/what-i-believe-to-be-true-and-how-i-have-come-to-believe-it-13df821c3ed.

defender of truth

Here is an interview with the ministerial servant in the article:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GV0fK39AeLc

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Just got this reply from the U.K enquiry into Child Abuse

by Phizzy in

i received an e-mail today, which says, in part :.

" thank you for your email dated 19 august to the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse.

regarding your concerns about the jehovahs witness religion and your offer to provide further.

defender of truth

notsurewheretogo 2 hours ago
That is word for word the same response I got from them a few weeks ago.

(I assume you refer here to the OP).

This is possibly because the Inquiry is primarily focused towards hearing peoples' experiences..

Finally, there's hope for abuse survivors
..Mirroring the Australian Royal Commission into Institutional Child Sexual Abuse, survivors will be able to leave a short written message about their experiences. Anonymous statements will be published alongside reports and on websites.
Crucially the inquiry will appoint and fund support services for victims and survivors who come forward to assist the Inquiry, a major omission from previous versions.
www.leighday.co.uk/Blog/July-2015-(1)/Finally-theres-hope-for-abuse-survivors

Here's a little more:

The Truth Project will allow victims and survivors of child sexual abuse to share their experiences with the Inquiry.
Those who wish to take part will attend a private session at one of our offices in England or Wales to share their experience with a member of the Inquiry. Their accounts will not be tested, challenged or contradicted.
The information supplied will be anonymised and will be considered by the Chair and Panel members when reaching their conclusions and making recommendations for the future.
As part of the Truth Project, victims and survivors will be given an opportunity to write a message to be published together with the Inquiry’s annual reports.
More information about the Truth Project is in our guide for those who wish to share their experience. The first Truth Project hearings are expected to start in October 2015.
Visit our share your experience page to find out more, or to take part.
www.csa-inquiry.independent.gov.uk/how-we-work

Please share your experience if you feel able to, it does not even have to be in person.

On this form we will ask you some questions so that we know a little more about the experience you wish to share with the Inquiry.
You will then be given a choice to share your experience by attending a private session of the Inquiry or by submitting a detailed statement.
www.csa-inquiry.independent.gov.uk/submit-information-online

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Geoffrey Jackson on "corporal punishment"

by opusdei1972 in

here is another jackson's misleading answer, from the transcript of august 14 :.

25 q. do you accept corporal punishment?

29 a. not not personally, no, and not as an organisation 30 we don't encourage it.

defender of truth

BTTT

The above quote from the Insight book entry on Rod/Staff, shows clearly that beating a child is encouraged, if it's deemed 'necessary' to keep your child on the straight and narrow..

In other words, if beating your kids is what is necessary to make them sit still at meetings.. You must do it.

I'll just highlight this part of the quote again, but please read it all if you haven't noticed it before (2nd post on page 2 of this thread) :

The book of Proverbs makes many references to this authority, the term symbolizing all forms of discipline used, including the literal rod used for chastisement.
The parent is actually responsible before God to exercise this rod, controlling the child.
If the parent fails in this, he will bring ruination and death to his child and disgrace and God’s disapproval to himself also. (Pr 10:1; 15:20; 17:25; 19:13)

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Please, help me to show the USA that a public inquiry into child abuse...

by defender of truth in

.. in institutions is needed.

it needs to be done as soon as possible.. and i need you to help me.. i need someone, maybe more than one person, to draft a template, for a letter to the white house.. it has to clearly state that the usa is falling way behind many other countries, in terms of protecting children in institutions nationwide.. it has to make this clear: .

both australia and the uk (independent inquiry into child sexual abuse in england and wales, see here: www.csa-inquiry.independent.gov.uk/about-the-inquiry ) are currently investing large amounts of time and financial resources to research the best possible policies to protect children, across all institutions, religious and nonreligious.. they are working to expose the failures of various institutions, that have not reported child abuse, or have even covered it up... why are the united states of america not doing the same?!!.

defender of truth

And just to clarify, when I said in that earlier post that this thread was useless and uninteresting, I actually was refering to my posts, and my original idea of us all writing letters to the Whitehouse.. Which was hopeless and uninspired, to say the least.

I did NOT mean that the replies were useless, just that the thread was founded on a dumb idea and never really went anywhere or will ever be looked at again. The thread will be useless in the future, because it had no real purpose or direction.

I wasn't referring to others posts, it came out wrong.. :(

I apologise if my words gave the wrong impression.

The purpose of posting the reply from the President, which anyone with an IQ in double figures could deduce is almost certainly a form letter, was to show that even the Whitehouse reads our emails..

So never feel that there is no point in making that point you've always wanted to make to someone via email, because you never know what might happen.. Someone will read it ;)

(And if anyone ever says the Whitehouse doesn't bother reading what you have to say, please refer them back to this thread). OK, i'll shut up now :)